Baptisms for the dead: A debate

Dennis Potter (left) and Blake Ostler debate baptisms for the dead at UVU.

On Tuesday, Utah Valley University hosted a lively debate on the resolution: “Resolved that the practice of proxy baptisms for the dead is neither a rational nor an ethical response to the problem of the unevangelized.”

Affirming the resolution—that is, arguing that baptisms for the dead are ineffectual and offensive—was Dennis Potter, associate philosophy professor at UVU. In opposition was Blake Ostler, a lawyer who has been widely published on Mormon theology.

With Mitt Romney’s presidential bid, Mormonism and some of its more controversial tenets (like baptisms for the dead) have come under increased scrutiny. So this debate couldn’t have been any more timely or relevant. Unfortunately, the turnout was rather poor. But if you were unaware of the event or unable to attend, you’re in luck—I recorded it in full. Click the links below for audio to the debate and the Q&A session.

Baptism debate

Baptism debate Q&A

The debate coach in me is tempted to disclose whose case I felt was more compelling, but I’ll hold off. I don’t want to bias your opinion going into the debate. Please listen to it first. Suffice it say for now, though, that Potter and Ostler are both capable thinkers and each made good arguments.

I may post my analysis later, but until then I look forward to reading your thoughts in the comments!

Thoughtful defenses of theism

Last week, I criticized what I see as intellectually lazy apologetics. So today, I want to draw your attention to a couple of thoughtful defenses of theism instead.

DasAmericanAtheist, one of my favorite atheist YouTubers, recently did a video where he defends theism against a theist arguing for atheism. Perhaps it flirts with sophistry, but I think it’s a really cool idea.

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The Vatican to atheists: “Bring it!”

Okay, so the title is just to grab your attention. The Catholic Church is actually extending a rather ecumenical offer to atheists. From The Independent:

The Vatican is planning a new initiative to reach out to atheists and agnostics in an attempt to improve the church’s relationship with non-believers. Pope Benedict XVI has ordered officials to create a new foundation where atheists will be encouraged to meet and debate with some of the Catholic Church’s top theologians.

The Vatican hopes to stage a series of debates in Paris next year. But militant non-believers hoping for a chance to set senior church figures straight about the existence of God are set to be disappointed: the church has warned that atheists with high public profiles such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens will not be invited.

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Christopher Hitchens pwns!

What Hitchens expresses in his (admittedly non-responsive) answer is essentially the problem of evil. Why would a loving and all-powerful god permit the evils that befell, say, Elisabeth Fritzl? It is (or should be) a difficult question for theists. But understand the limitations of the problem of evil.

The problem of evil is not a logical disproof of god. It could be that god is all-powerful, but malevolent. It could also be true that god is loving, but not all-powerful. Indeed it may even be the case that god is both loving and all-powerful and his reasons for permitting evil are beyond our understanding. So the problem of evil is not an argument for atheism.

This is precisely why I like Hitchens. Unlike Dawkins and Harris, Hitchens doesn’t make a case against god’s existence. He doesn’t give a damn. As Dr. Kleiner says, “The least interesting fact about god is that he exists.” The question for Hitchens isn’t whether god exists (though of course Hitchens doesn’t believe god does), but whether god is worthy of worship. In the spirit of Job, Hitchens is demanding that god account for the evil in the world. And it is not of enough for god to bark, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” That makes god sound like the “celestial dictator” Hitchens accuses him of being.

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